Legislature(2009 - 2010)HOUSE FINANCE 519
03/12/2010 09:00 AM House FINANCE
| Audio | Topic |
|---|---|
| Start | |
| HJR45 | |
| HB339 | |
| HB73 | |
| HJR45 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| + | HB 73 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 339 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | TELECONFERENCED | ||
| + | HJR 45 | TELECONFERENCED | |
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 45
Urging the United States Congress not to enact Cap and
Trade legislation.
9:10:38 AM
JOHN COAN, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE BILL STOLTZE, SPONSOR,
explained that the resolution was intended to send a
message to Congress and to the President on an issue that
would deeply affect Alaska and all Alaskans. He stressed
that the Cap and Trade legislation in Congress would be
detrimental across all industries.
Mr. Coan reported that Representative Stoltze's office had
worked closely with the governor's office and members of
the Alaska delegation to craft the resolution urging
Congress not to enact the measure. He described the
resolution as a straightforward expression of concerns
regarding cap and trade legislation and its impact on
average working families and economic growth in the state.
RICK WILLIAMS, PETERSBURG (via teleconference), spoke as a
commercial fisherman in support of the resolution:
Thank you for recognizing the geographical,
disproportionate impacts of mandatory greenhouse gas
reductions on the state of Alaska. In Southeast
Alaska, the cap and trade bill will cripple our
tourism, fishing industry and barge service.
Everything we buy and do will cost more. The cost-of-
living increases will force many families to leave. We
ordinary people are learning the goal of this cap and
trade bill is to make carbon dioxide a number one
commodity on the planet. Quoting the February issue of
Harper's Magazine: "Unlike traditional commodities,
which sometime during the course of their market
exchange must be delivered to someone in physical
form, the carbon market is based on the delivery of an
invisible substance to no one. Its value resides
entirely in the promise of its absence."
Big banks and big multinationals love the trillions of
dollars tied to this bill. They can work both ends and
it is ripe for abuse. China and India love it; they
have made it absolutely clear that they are not going
to perpetuate their poverty by initiating unrealistic
regulations, and will inherit our wealth. This cap and
trade bill has nothing to do with the environment and
everything to do with power and greed. Furthermore,
there is no scientific consensus on climate change.
There is, however, a petition to the U.S. government
signed by 31,478 American scientists, including 9,029
with PhDs, urging our government to reject the Kyoto
Protocol and any similar proposals. Additionally, it
may be good to send a copy of HJR 45 to Senators Boxer
and Inhofe, the ranking members of the [U.S.] Senate
Committee on Environment and Public Works.
9:15:10 AM
Co-Chair Stoltze stated that the resolution was not
intended to disregard environmental concerns and the issues
of climate change, but a major philosophical and practical
disagreement that cap and trade is a vehicle to fix it. He
thought there clearly is climate change and there are
environmental concerns and worldwide environmental
degradation issues. He referred to testimony by Meera
Kohler [President of Alaska Village Electric Cooperative,
Inc.] regarding the impact on the delivery of electrical
services to rural Alaska; she projected an additional cost
of $0.04/kWh if the cap and trade bill were implemented.
Co-Chair Stoltze MOVED Conceptual Amendment 1:
Page 3, line 26: Insert:
Senator Barbara Boxer, Chair, U.S. Senate Committee on
the Environment and Public Works; and Senator James
Inhofe, Ranking Member, U.S. Senate Committee on the
Environment and Public Works;
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Representative Gara spoke in opposition to the resolution.
He noted that there were various versions of the cap and
trade legislation pending in Congress; he thought some were
better and some worse. He stated he might support the
resolution if it were amended.
Representative Gara relayed that there are versions of the
legislation that people believe will encourage the
expansion of natural gas production and other versions that
people believe will harm natural gas pipeline prospects.
He was working on an amendment that would clarify support
of versions that would expand the use and demand for Alaska
natural gas.
Co-Chair Stoltze put aside the bill until later in the
meeting.
9:19:39 AM
Co-Chair Hawker commented that although there were various
versions of the bill in Congress, HJR 45 did not target any
particular version but took a stand against legislation
that would negatively impact Alaskans.
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 45
Urging the United States Congress not to enact Cap and
Trade legislation.
9:45:03 AM
Co-Chair Stoltze returned to HJR 45.
Representative Gara MOVED to ADOPT Conceptual Amendment 2:
Insert page 3, line 12:
Whereas there are proposals to amend the pending
legislation that would expand the demand for Alaska
natural gas, and that would benefit Alaska; and
Page 3, line 16:
Insert after "enact", insert "any version of"
Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED.
Representative Gara explained the amendment. He believed
there were versions of the cap and trade legislation in
Congress that would discriminate against the use of natural
gas and therefore be harmful to Alaska, and that there are
proposals that may not technically be cap and trade
provisions that would encourage the use of natural gas,
which would be beneficial to the state. The amendment first
acknowledges the existence of proposals that would expand
the use of natural gas. Secondly, the Alaska delegation
might work against provisions that would discriminate
against natural gas and work for provisions that would move
a natural gas pipeline forward. Inserting the language "any
version of" would address the intent to discourage
detrimental versions.
Co-Chair Stoltze MOVED to divide the amendment into two
parts. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Representative Gara MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2a:
Insert page 3, line 12:
Whereas there are proposals to amend the pending
legislation that would expand the demand for Alaska
natural gas, and that would benefit Alaska; and
Representative Gara explained Amendment 2a. He noted a
number of factual statements in the "Whereas" section; he
regarded the amendment as factual as well.
9:49:28 AM
Co-Chair Stoltze expressed concerns that the amendment
would clutter the issue.
Representative Gara responded that the "Whereas" section
made factual statements, not whether the issues were
supported or not. He believed the statement in the
amendment was bipartisan.
Representative Kelly spoke against Amendment 2a. He stated
concerns about secondary effects and about climate change.
Co-Chair Stoltze MAINAINED his OBJECTION.
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.
IN FAVOR: Gara, Salmon, Doogan, Foster
OPPOSED: Joule, Kelly, Thomas, Austerman, Fairclough,
Stoltze, Hawker.
The MOTION FAILED (4/7).
9:52:42 AM
Representative Gara MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2b:
Page 3, line 16:
Insert after "enact", insert "any version of"
Co-Chair Stoltze believed the amendment to be technical and
did not object to it. There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment
2b was adopted.
Co-Chair Hawker clarified the amendment numbers. There was
a discussion about language in the amendment.
9:55:11 AM
Representative Gara maintained that a "Whereas" section
beginning with line 5 on page 3 was inaccurate. The section
says that cap and trade will harm the demand for natural
gas, which he claimed was not true for some versions of the
legislation. He wanted to distinguish between proposals.
Co-Chair Stoltze disagreed.
Representative Gara proposed inserting language to clarify
that certain versions of cap and trade legislation would
harm demand for natural gas.
9:58:12 AM
Co-Chair Stoltze suggested changing "would" on line 6 to
"may".
Representative Gara reiterated his concerns that certain
versions would be bad for Alaska.
Co-Chair Hawker MOVED conceptual Amendment 3:
Page 3, line 6:
Replace "would" with "may"
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Co-Chair Hawker MOVED to report HJR 45 as amended out of
Committee with individual recommendations and the
accompanying fiscal note. There being NO OBJECTION, it was
so ordered.
CSHJR 45(FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with a "do
pass" recommendation and with attached new zero note by the
Legislative Affairs Agency.
9:59:54 AM
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| 04 Changes from Version A to Version P HB 73.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 04__HB_73_Firefighter_EMS_Support_Letter-emails.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 05_Add'l_support_HB_73.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 05_Add'l_support_HB_73.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 06 Sponsor Statement HB 73.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 07 HB073CS-DOA-DMV-02-01-10UPDATEDFY11.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 13 2009 Petition for plates - 238 signatures.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
|
| HB 339 AHFC Transfer Plan Sectional Analysis.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 339 |
| HB 339 AHFC transfer plan Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 339 |
| 02 CS for HB 73 Version P.pdf |
HFIN 3/12/2010 9:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |